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It's so annoying how liberals will constantly come up with whatever slander they can think of, one of them recently being that he's exhausted and no energy
the guy is just as clear as he was in '16, he flew TO this show today, recorded a 3 HOUR critical interview (takes a lot of energy), then flew and did another event after, and he has non stop events
this guy is a fucking machine, like him or hate him🟩 31Comment
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It's so annoying how liberals will constantly come up with whatever slander they can think of, one of them recently being that he's exhausted and no energy
the guy is just as clear as he was in '16, he flew TO this show today, recorded a 3 HOUR critical interview (takes a lot of energy), then flew and did another event after, and he has non stop events
this guy is a fucking machine, like him or hate himDeath to all genocidal fascists. Glory to the revolution! Glory to the workers!💩 2Comment
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I’ve been listening to Rogan for 8 years, and nearly every episode. Rogan has always leaned left and he’s even had more people from the left on. He was very firm on never having Trump on because he didn’t want to give him that platform and the effects of what comes out of it. This is the only guest I have always thought there was absolutely no chance to ever happen. He just thought having Trump on would be too controversial and he didn’t like how ridiculous Trump would act etc
I’ve seen Rogan in real time slowly see what was happening with Trump over the years and slowly lean over.
As a long time fan of Rogan, seeing Trump on is one of the wildest things I have ever seen and surreal. What a moment of history. I believe this will be the most listened to podcast episode of all time.🟩 2Comment
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I’ve been listening to Rogan for 8 years, and nearly every episode. Rogan has always leaned left and he’s even had more people from the left on. He was very firm on never having Trump on because he didn’t want to give him that platform and the effects of what comes out of it. This is the only guest I have always thought there was absolutely no chance to ever happen. He just thought having Trump on would be too controversial and he didn’t like how ridiculous Trump would act etc
I’ve seen Rogan in real time slowly see what was happening with Trump over the years and slowly lean over.
As a long time fan of Rogan, seeing Trump on is one of the wildest things I have ever seen and surreal. What a moment of history. I believe this will be the most listened to podcast episode of all time.Comment
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I’ve been listening to Rogan for 8 years, and nearly every episode. Rogan has always leaned left and he’s even had more people from the left on. He was very firm on never having Trump on because he didn’t want to give him that platform and the effects of what comes out of it. This is the only guest I have always thought there was absolutely no chance to ever happen. He just thought having Trump on would be too controversial and he didn’t like how ridiculous Trump would act etc
I’ve seen Rogan in real time slowly see what was happening with Trump over the years and slowly lean over.
As a long time fan of Rogan, seeing Trump on is one of the wildest things I have ever seen and surreal. What a moment of history. I believe this will be the most listened to podcast episode of all time.
too bad the episode was disappointing after all the hype.🟩 1Comment
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The current tariffs suck, but I am talking about the huge tariffs Trump wants to add to bring jobs back. He was talking about 100-200% tariffs, which could save US jobs in certain industries.
My question is how do you make it affordable in America? I get the jobs side of it. What I don't get is how the products will be affordable enough to sell and that they won't hurt the market. Even if demand is inelastic, this is still a huge loss in resources for something less efficient than the alternative.
Willing to change view on this if someone can explain.Last edited by wincel; 10-26-2024, 02:36 PM.Death to all genocidal fascists. Glory to the revolution! Glory to the workers!🟥 1🖕 1Comment
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The current tariffs suck, but I am talking about the huge tariffs Trump wants to add to bring jobs back. He was talking about 100-200% tariffs, which could save US jobs in certain industries.
My question is how do you make it affordable in America? I get the jobs side of it. What I don't get is how the products will be affordable enough to sell and that they won't hurt the market. Even if demand is inelastic, this is still a huge loss in resources for something less efficient than the alternative.
Willing to change view on this if someone can explain.
I think the damage is already done. tarrifs might made a real impact 30-40 years ago.
Whenever i find an old item that i had from the 90s its surprising how often they are made in america. I had an old sleeping back from a school trip that we bought at i think walmart and it was made in the US. Ditto for a pair of binoculars. none of that shit is in the US anymore and if it is "assembled in the US" its like double the price of chinese shit and its all made from chinese parts.
That is all we can even do with tarrifs is have a bunch of americans assemble crap from chinaComment
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I think the damage is already done. tarrifs might made a real impact 30-40 years ago.
Whenever i find an old item that i had from the 90s its surprising how often they are made in america. I had an old sleeping back from a school trip that we bought at i think walmart and it was made in the US. Ditto for a pair of binoculars. none of that shit is in the US anymore and if it is "assembled in the US" its like double the price of chinese shit and its all made from chinese parts.
That is all we can even do with tarrifs is have a bunch of americans assemble crap from china
I mean if Trump went and made a massive wealth redistribution scheme...lol
But that isn't the plan. So not sure how this is going to work.
Even if made in China and assembled in America, American labor is still way more expensive.Death to all genocidal fascists. Glory to the revolution! Glory to the workers!🟥 1Comment
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That's exactly what I mean. Prices of made in USA goods are going to be insanely high. Tariffs could force people to buy them, but it is still a huge loss and waste.
I mean if Trump went had a massive wealth redistribution scheme...lol
But that isn't the plan. So not sure how this is going to work.Comment
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But the return of jobs and business transactions will be in boom again. I don’t think anybody thinks it will be easy if we cut off China, it would be a struggle for the first 10 years likely, but the alternative is worse by building up China more, and I know you probably disagree because you’re pro China, but most Americans would agree with me, even lefties don’t like China
We'd be paying a rent to American exployers, which sounds nice but would mean way more expensive goods. Overall QOL would drop substantially unless there is a scheme in place to make such goods affordable.
The extreme example is Tesla. A cheap Tesla EV is like 40-45k. On the other hand, some really good Chinese EVs cost 10-15k. So all that extra money is being paid as a rent to Tesla, and you face an additional opportunity cost of not being able to invest or use that money elsewhere. You can use tariffs to prop up Tesla, but eveeyone is worse off for doing so.Last edited by wincel; 10-26-2024, 03:01 PM.Death to all genocidal fascists. Glory to the revolution! Glory to the workers!🟥 1Comment
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That's exactly what I mean. Prices of made in USA goods are going to be insanely high. Tariffs could force people to buy them, but it is still a huge loss and waste.
I mean if Trump went and made a massive wealth redistribution scheme...lol
But that isn't the plan. So not sure how this is going to work.
Even if made in China and assembled in America, American labor is still way more expensive.
Either way, I doubt that full plan would go through and he has plans to lower taxes back to 21% and then 15% for american made goods or something along those lines which sounds more realistic.Last edited by ordoabchao; 10-26-2024, 02:59 PM.Comment
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Yes the jobs may come back initially, but how will sales be high? The whole thing ought to hurt the economy unless there is a way to bring prices down or increase real wages. It would shrink our eocnomy substantially, and if we have a recession or depression, that can remove the incentive to invest, causing a total crash. Every extra dollar spent on the inefficiently made in American goods is a dollar lost on something else in our economy.
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But look at the economy the US had WHEN it did have most of the manufacturing at home, there would be growth pains initially , but it would bring well paying jobs back home, one income families with 4-6 kids, now both parents need to work and can hardly afford 1-2 kidsDeath to all genocidal fascists. Glory to the revolution! Glory to the workers!🟥 2Comment
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This is true and I haven't heard smarter individuals than I comment on it yet as this is relatively new. But you are only using half of the equation because he has stated that he will bring the american jobs back by putting insane tariffs on foreign products AND that he would eliminate federal taxes. So if you are not paying federal taxes you can afford to buy made in america products is likely the idea.
Either way, I doubt that full plan would go through and he has plans to lower taxes back to 21% and then 15% for american made goods or something along those lines which sounds more realistic.Death to all genocidal fascists. Glory to the revolution! Glory to the workers!👎 2Comment
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I don't think they will be. At least not in the short term. The lower fuel prices from opening up Keystone again as well as additional drilling in Alaska will help, but not nearly enough to offset a 100-200% tariff.See Krackerjacked's sigComment
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Most of the growth in the US economy is in high tech stuff. That's where our economy is headed. It's going to be high tech and then just services for the lower tier jobs. We aren't a manufacturing economy except in high tech manufacturing.Death to all genocidal fascists. Glory to the revolution! Glory to the workers!💩 2Comment
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I’ve been listening to Rogan for 8 years, and nearly every episode. Rogan has always leaned left and he’s even had more people from the left on. He was very firm on never having Trump on because he didn’t want to give him that platform and the effects of what comes out of it. This is the only guest I have always thought there was absolutely no chance to ever happen. He just thought having Trump on would be too controversial and he didn’t like how ridiculous Trump would act etc
I’ve seen Rogan in real time slowly see what was happening with Trump over the years and slowly lean over.
As a long time fan of Rogan, seeing Trump on is one of the wildest things I have ever seen and surreal. What a moment of history. I believe this will be the most listened to podcast episode of all time.
he is open to the hyena too, but LMAO if anyone thinks she could last 3 hours, let alone actually answer any of Joe's questions. he has more faith in her than we do. LMAO if she can actually have a normal conversation without trying to manipulate the audience
Trump was just speaking facts for 3 hours2Comment
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TDS is a very real thing.
I've said to liberal friends "hey I don't pay attention at all - I keep hearing trump is racist, what all has he said?" and not one of them was able to quote something racist. And yet there are people seething and foaming at the mouth that he's a racist bigot.🟩 1👍 1Comment
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It's still a loss. Like ok of you want to drill more and ignore environmental consequences and push those for later, fine. It would still be better to drill more and trade than to drill more and use protectionism to try to save what is fundamentally noncompetitive. America has certain areas we are good in and others we aren't. I don't see how we save US manufacturing. It will always be cheaper and more efficient to make it in China.
Most of the growth in the US economy is in high tech stuff. That's where our economy is headed. It's going to be high tech and then just services for the lower tier jobs. We aren't a manufacturing economy except in high tech manufacturing.
As for the energy, this is why we should drill more now for short term while also investing heavily into R&D for fusion as a long term plan to transition the power grids to eventually. I haven't heard any major politicians talk about that though. It's either wind/solar/whatever and none of that can support the power grids, or all oil/coal/natural gas, which will eventually take its toll and run out. Short term drilling and reliance on our own oil resources can bring down prices and reliance on foreign oil, and if we invest in fusion R&D now we can eventually transition the power grids to that, if it is indeed feasible. In the future we would need far less oil this way.See Krackerjacked's sigComment
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That's why I said, it's nowhere near enough to cover a 100% and especially not a 200% tariff. It would be nice for America to become a manufacturing hub again, but it's likely not feasible. Labor here is always going to cost more due to worker's rights in the US, and I'm not saying worker's rights are a bad thing. There are some things we could do to encourage more manufacturing here but it will likely never return to what it used to be. Best thing we can do is hedge our bets and find cheap manufacturing in multiple countries. That way if China wants to strongarm us at any point, or if a war breaks out and affects one country that we depend on for manufacturing, we have other options.
As for the energy, this is why we should drill more now for short term while also investing heavily into R&D for fusion as a long term plan to transition the power grids to eventually. I haven't heard any major politicians talk about that though. It's either wind/solar/whatever and none of that can support the power grids, or all oil/coal/natural gas, which will eventually take its toll and run out. Short term drilling and reliance on our own oil resources can bring down prices and reliance on foreign oil, and if we invest in fusion R&D now we can eventually transition the power grids to that, if it is indeed feasible. In the future we would need far less oil this way.
minimizing cost is not the whole goal. Leveraging where possible to make citizens live better is.
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You listen to the entire podcast? Trump very specifically mentions doing exactly that.
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The current tariffs suck, but I am talking about the huge tariffs Trump wants to add to bring jobs back. He was talking about 100-200% tariffs, which could save US jobs in certain industries.
My question is how do you make it affordable in America? I get the jobs side of it. What I don't get is how the products will be affordable enough to sell and that they won't hurt the market. Even if demand is inelastic, this is still a huge loss in resources for something less efficient than the alternative.
Willing to change view on this if someone can explain.
The United States has a 1.15T trade deficit per year. The next 12 countries with the highest trade added together would still be a fraction of the United States trade deficit. What changed low tariff rates became standard to benefit outsourced companies at the expense of the American people:
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