People who hate authority; the wealthy; and 'the system'.

[OriginalGangster]

Yet if it wasn't for the wealthy they'd have no jobs and without the system, not much would exist.

In Australia there are some people on welfare who are called 'dole bludgers' that constantly hate on the aforementioned, yet if it wasn't for the system and the wealthy, they'd starve to death or die from exposure to the elements.

[wincel]

Check my avatar. They all had jobs. In fact, our system is the reason some remain unemployed.

Nor will there be planned economy. What is planned economy? What are some of its attributes? Planned economy tries to abolish unemployment. Let us suppose it is possible, while preserving the capitalist system, to reduce unemployment to a certain minimum.
But surely, no capitalist would ever agree to the complete abolition of unemployment, to the abolition of the reserve army of unemployed, the purpose of which is to bring pressure on the labour market, to ensure a supply of cheap labour. Here you have one of the rents in the "planned economy" of bourgeois society. Furthermore, planned economy presupposes increased output in those branches of industry which produce goods that the masses of the people need particularly. But you know that the expansion of production under capitalism takes place for entirely different motives, that capital flows into those branches of economy in which the rate of profit is highest. You will never compel a capitalist to incur loss to himself and agree to a lower rate of profit for the sake of satisfying the needs of the people. Without getting rid of the capitalists, without abolishing the principle of private property in the means of production, it is impossible to create planned economy.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1934/07/23.htm

[OriginalGangster]

Check my avatar. They all had jobs. In fact, our system is the reason some remain unemployed.



https://www.marxists.org/reference/a...1934/07/23.htm

I feel like you've never lived in a communist system...

[wincel]

I feel like you've never lived in a communist system...

Have you?

Is he wrong about unemployment?

[artcore22]

I'm fine with taking the system and society apart. I'm with the Unabomber on this.

[r32gojirra]

I feel like you've never lived in a communist system...

What questions do you have

[Goon]

What questions do you have

Location: Australia

Tell him what It's like.

[Kormo]

They only say they hate the rich cause trickle down economics has been proven false. It's not really personal

[GordonXXX]

“Conservatives are capitalists and believe that entrepreneurs who amass great wealth through their own efforts are good for the country and shouldn’t be punished for being successful. Liberals are socialists who view successful business owners as people who cheated the system somehow or got lucky. That’s why they don’t respect high achievers and see them as little more than piggy banks for their programs.” – John Hawkins

[Kormo]

UBI or universal high income will give power to the general population. Elon musk is a proponent of this.

[TwoTailedSperm]

I'm sorry OP but this is a really shallow and frankly intellectually lazy take on this. You make simple statements about an incredibly complicated and chaotic system as if they are self evident facts.

For example; do the bludgers create the dole or does the dole create the bludgers? Do you seriously think that people would starve to death without unemployment benefits? And nobody is dying from exposure in Australia.

Anarchic societies can and do exist, I'm not about to say they are better but to say that nothing would happen without a "system" is frankly weird. You have a cartoon cutout view of people and how they actually behave. It's like your entire knowledge of human nature has been fed to you by extreme right wing talking points and you have no actual first hand knowledge of people.

wincel is correct in that unemployed people are essential to the capitalist system, around 5% or else wages rise unsustainably and it becomes difficult to maintain a diversified economy. The capitalists will admit this, you don't need to read Marx.

People have different values and therefore different ideas about how society should function, to reduce anyone who doesn't agree with your outlook to morons is arrogant and disingenuous.

[GordonXXX]

“Whether you are a businessman or someone earning a salary, you should never apologize for trying to earn more money. Never feel guilty for wanting to keep more of it for you and your family. Do not accept the silly notion that there is poverty and suffering in America because you are greedy and aren’t paying enough in taxes. Realize that regardless of the job you have, you are helping to create other jobs. The goods and services you consume help create employment for people who wouldn’t otherwise have it. The confiscatory percentages in income and social security taxes you pay on any extra money you earn helps keep checks going to widows and orphans. If anything, you are morally SUPERIOR to those liberal compassion fascists who claim you are greedy. You have a real job; they just beg for a living.” – Rush Limbaugh - The Way Things Ought To Be

[Kormo]

Communism is the future because unemployment increases when technologies and efficencies improve . Doesn't matter how much mccarthyism has influenced your fathers and your mindset to this day. There needs to be a transition though. We can't go full communism over night. We're at end stage capitalism right now. Just be aware

[Shortfuze]

I find it hypocritical for those who hate the "system", "wealthy" etc and yet sport brand name clothing, state of the art electronics, go to wine bars, expensive hair salons, get mani/pedi on a weekly basis, travel to exotic destinations , have an EV car etc. And of course, they hate the system but want to replace it with a more repressive/controlling system in the name of fairness, equity, inclusion etc etc etc.

[wincel]

“Conservatives are capitalists and believe that entrepreneurs who amass great wealth through their own efforts are good for the country and shouldn’t be punished for being successful. Liberals are socialists who view successful business owners as people who cheated the system somehow or got lucky. That’s why they don’t respect high achievers and see them as little more than piggy banks for their programs.” – John Hawkins

Why was Einstein a socialist?? Mr Hawkins is also clearly a moron. BYU university MBA, nearly died of covid. (Presumably an antivaxxer. Herman Cain award nominee.)

Einstein was one of the smartest men who ever lived. Do you think Mr. Hawkins was smarter than Einstein? Pretty sure Einstein was a much higher achiever.

[NothingShocking]

Have you?

Is he wrong about unemployment?

I wonder what would happen to unemployment if we removed minimum wage and welfare benefits.

[wincel]

I find it hypocritical for those who hate the "system", "wealthy" etc and yet sport brand name clothing, state of the art electronics, go to wine bars, expensive hair salons, get mani/pedi on a weekly basis, travel to exotic destinations , have an EV car etc. And of course, they hate the system but want to replace it with a more repressive/controlling system in the name of fairness, equity, inclusion etc etc etc.

This is the famous iphone vuvuzela argument. Existing in a capitalist system does not preclude someone from arguing for a more just system. Admitting there are flaws in our system does not mean one must go without products of capitalism. After all, many of the greatest scientists in history were socialists. Does that mean you must abandon all products secondary to their discoveries? Preposterous.

[wincel]

I wonder what would happen to unemployment if we removed minimum wage and welfare benefits.

The bourgeoisie do not want the labor market to be saturated. They want to maintain power over workers. If every low wage burger flipper had employment options but at very low wages, they would unionize and then crush the companies. We already had that experiment, remember? Welfare and min wage were concessions given to end strikes and socialist movements in America.

We already had it your way before. It resulted in a great depression and famine.

[NothingShocking]

The bourgeoisie do not want the labor market to be saturated. They want to maintain power over workers. If every low wage burger flipper had employment options but at very low wages, they would unionize and then crush the companies. We already had that experiment, remember? Welfare and min wage were concessions given to end strikes and socialist movements in America.

We already had it your way before. It resulted in a great depression and famine.

by bourgeoisie you mean the democrats, right?

[wincel]

Communism is the future because unemployment increases when technologies and efficencies improve . Doesn't matter how much mccarthyism has influenced your fathers and your mindset to this day. There needs to be a transition though. We can't go full communism over night. We're at end stage capitalism right now. Just be aware

Based

[wincel]

by bourgeoisie you mean the democrats, right?

Democratic and Republican billionaires.

[wincel]

You guys should really listen to this:



Stalin debates novelist HG Wells. He calmly refutes all the classic arguments posted here and brought by others against socialism. You can also see clearly how intelligent Stalin was and how much you have all been lied to about him.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1934/07/23.htm

[BigTimeOperator]

Legit authority is useful, abuse of authority, or people acting like they have authority they dont really have is what the 2nd Amendment is for.

[LuigiMiami731]

You are a real gangster OP you know that.

[Godfrd]

Wincel is the biggest communist there is, until he's told to pick up his hammer and sickle and get to working. Truth is, Wincel could only live in a capitalist society, because anywhere else he would be sent to a labor camp. But here and with capitalism he can mooch off his parents at least until they die, and maybe even longer than that depending on what assets they leave behind.

Wincel has never done anything worthwhile in his life, so he despises anyone who has. I can only imagine the embarrassment his parents must feel, giving him everything, just so he could achieve nothing.

[GuineaDago585]

I used to hate rich people when I was young. I grew up poor and was brainwashed into believing the wealthy sat around all day plotting schemes to crush the working class. Then I got my first job dealing with the general public and learned the most compassionate people were rich. I was a cashier back then, and without fail, the rudest, most entitled piece of shit customers were always poor people. This transcended race, age, gender, etc. Meanwhile rich customers were a pleasure to deal with because they would always ask me how my day was going, make genuine small talk and left tips. This dynamic completely changed my view on the world. Obviously greed is a real thing, but the majority of America’s wealthy are making the world a better place while the bottom 10-20% drains resources and inflicts misery on everyone around them.

[Godfrd]

I used to hate rich people when I was young. I grew up poor and was brainwashed into believing the wealthy sat around all day plotting schemes to crush the working class. Then I got my first job dealing with the general public and learned the most compassionate people were rich. I was a cashier back then, and without fail, the rudest, most entitled piece of shit customers were always poor people. This transcended race, age, gender, etc. Meanwhile rich customers were a pleasure to deal with because they would always ask me how my day was going, make genuine small talk and left tips. This dynamic completely changed my view on the world. Obviously greed is a real thing, but the majority of America’s wealthy are making the world a better place while the bottom 10-20% drains resources and inflicts misery on everyone around them.

This is what Wincel can never see as he never goes outside. This is the reality of life in America. Anyone who isn't at least middle class in the US just isn't trying.

[Pajeet]

LOLing hard at Wincel/Kormo, both unemployed lazy pieces of crap, advocating for communism.

you incels know that communism is about working right? you get assigned jobs and then you work them for the rest of your life. no retiring early, no living in your parents basement, no making your mom clean jizz off the floor of the living room. they don't call it the worker's party for nothing

[Pajeet]

Wincel is the biggest communist there is, until he's told to pick up his hammer and sickle and get to working. Truth is, Wincel could only live in a capitalist society, because anywhere else he would be sent to a labor camp. But here and with capitalism he can mooch off his parents at least until they die, and maybe even longer than that depending on what assets they leave behind.

Wincel has never done anything worthwhile in his life, so he despises anyone who has. I can only imagine the embarrassment his parents must feel, giving him everything, just so he could achieve nothing.

wincel's brother is a neurosurgeon, they just pretend they only have one son. they've probably got lifelong friends that don't know wincel exists.

[Kormo]

LOLing hard at Wincel/Kormo, both unemployed lazy pieces of crap, advocating for communism.

you incels know that communism is about working right? you get assigned jobs and then you work them for the rest of your life. no retiring early, no living in your parents basement, no making your mom clean jizz off the floor of the living room. they don't call it the worker's party for nothing

Unemployment increases, doesn't decrease when technologies and efficiencies improve. This is not about me or wincel. It's reality

[Godfrd]

LOLing hard at Wincel/Kormo, both unemployed lazy pieces of crap, advocating for communism.

you incels know that communism is about working right? you get assigned jobs and then you work them for the rest of your life. no retiring early, no living in your parents basement, no making your mom clean jizz off the floor of the living room. they don't call it the worker's party for nothing

If Kormo's mother died today, he would starve in less than a month. Same applies to Wincel except he has two parents to disappoint daily. Kormo's father fled 30 something years ago.

[Kormo]

If Kormo's mother died today, he would starve in less than a month. Same applies to Wincel except he has two parents to disappoint daily. Kormo's father fled 30 something years ago.

I'd adapt accordingly if i had no support system. The irony is you hate people who have support systems. You're no different than people who hate the rich. Or intrinsic advantages that you were born with.

[Godfrd]

I'd adapt accordingly if i had not support system. The irony is you hate people who have support systems. You're no different than people who hate the rich. Or intrinsic advantages that you were born with.

No. I hate people who aren't even worth their weight in manure.

If we compare you to me, you were born with every advantage that I wasn't born with. And yet you ended up becoming nothing but a worthless disappointment.

It's not really a support system if they put in all the work to keep you alive while you do nothing.

Didn't the state cut off your welfare because they deemed you to be too fat, bald, ugly, and useless to keep alive? LOL at you adapting.

[Kormo]

No. I hate people who aren't even worth their weight in manure.

If we compare you to me, you were born with every advantage that I wasn't born with. And yet you ended up becoming nothing but a worthless disappointment.

It's not really a support system if they put in all the work to keep you alive while you do nothing.

I'm happy and content. That's good enough success for me. Dunno why you worship money. It's kind of strange

[GordonXXX]

“I didn’t leave the Democratic Party - the Democratic Party left me. This is not the party of John F. Kennedy. It’s not the party of Robert Kennedy. Today, the Democratic Party is the party of Big Tech, Big Pharma, Big Ag, Wall Street, the big banking houses, and the military industrial complex - and if you look at who their funders are - that's who they are.” - Bobby Kennedy, Jr.

[Pajeet]

Unemployment increases, doesn't decrease when technologies and efficiencies improve. This is not about me or wincel. It's reality

So explain how communism will help us reach the point where useless pieces of crap like you will be able to be useless?

Last i checked, to get to that point, we need more workers, more innovation and more capitalism. A bunch of proles being assigned factory jobs and clocking out after doing the bare minimum doesn’t get you to the point where a society can sustain useless pieces of crap such as yourself

[Pajeet]

I'm happy and content. That's good enough success for me. Dunno why you worship money. It's kind of strange

Your mom isn’t though. Must kill here inside cleaning the jizz off her living room floor wondering how her useless embarrassment of a son will survive if she got hit by a bus the next day

you are happy and content because you are sucking your mom’s happiness away.

[wincel]

Unemployment increases, doesn't decrease when technologies and efficiencies improve. This is not about me or wincel. It's reality

They always want to take the discussions to individuals and avoid the point. The petty bourgeoisie are simple opposition to be crushed in the revolution. Most of them are not interested in reason. They simply do the bidding of their masters and try to stop the revolution thinking sycophancy and obsequence toward their billionaire puppet masters will lead to wealth and success for them. They turn a blind eye to the exploitation and conditions of the worker. They laud the charity of the wealthy without ever understanding the cost in blood to get there.

They never think about the opportunity cost: the future to humanity robbed, the millions prevented from proper healthcare and housing and healthy food and clean water, the children robbed of an education...

[Kormo]

So explain how communism will help us reach the point where useless pieces of crap like you will be able to be useless?

Last i checked, to get to that point, we need more workers, more innovation and more capitalism. A bunch of proles being assigned factory jobs and clocking out after doing the bare minimum doesn’t get you to the point where a society can sustain useless pieces of crap such as yourself

Define useless. To who?

Everything doesn't have to have use all the time

[Kormo]

Your mom isn’t though.

I think you're talking about your own maternal experience

It has nothing to do with me